Sunday, January 24, 2010

Inspiring Quotes to Ponder


"Nowhere in scripture do I see 'balanced life with a little bit of God added in' as an ideal for us to emulate. Yet when I look at our churches this is exactly what I see: a lot of people who have added Jesus to their lives. People who have in a sense asked Him to join them on their life journey and follow them wherever they feel they should go, rather than following Him as we are commanded. The God of the universe is not something we can just add to our lives and keep on as we did before. The Spirit who raised Christ from the dead is not someone we can just call on when we want a little extra power in our lives. Jesus Christ did not die in order to follow us, He died and rose again so that we could forget everything else and follow Him to the cross, to true Life." - Francis Chan, Forgotten God





"All Christians believe in divine sovereignty, but some are not aware that they do, and mistakenly imagine and insist that they reject it. What causes this odd state of affairs? The root cause is the same as in most cases of error in the Church - the intruding of rationalistic speculations, the passion for systematic consistency, a reluctance to recognize the existence of mystery and to let God be wiser than men, and a consequent subjecting of Scripture to the supposed demands of human logic. People see the Bible teaches man's responsibility for his actions; they do not see (man, indeed, cannot see) how this is consistent with the sovereign Lordship of God over those actions. They are not content to let the two truths live side by side, as they do in the Scriptures, but jump to the conclusion that, in order to uphold the biblical truth of human responsibility, they are bound to reject the equally biblical and equally true doctrine of divine sovereignty, and to explain away the great number of texts that teach it. The desire to over-simplify the Bible by cutting out the mysteries is natural to our perverse minds, and it is not surprising that even godly men should fall victim to it. Hence this persistent and troublesome dispute. The irony of the situation, however, is that when we ask how the two sides pray, it becomes apparent that those who profess to deny God's sovereignty really believe in it just as strongly as those who affirm it." - J.I. Packer, Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God





"A generation of Christians reared among push buttons and automatic machines is impatient of slower and less direct methods of reaching their goals. We have been trying to apply machine-age methods to our relations with God. We read our chapter, have our short devotions, and rush away, hoping to make up for our deep inward bankruptcy by attending another gospel meeting or listening to another thrilling story told by a religious adventurer lately returned from afar. The tragic results of this spirit are all about us. Shallow lives, hollow religious philosophies, the preponderance of the element of fun in gospel meetings, the glorification of men, trust in religious externalities, quasi-religious fellowships, salesmanship methods, the mistaking of dynamic personality for the power of the Spirit; these and such as these are the symptoms of an evil disease, a deep and serious malady of the soul." - A.W. Tozer

8 comments:

  1. Hello Ed,

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  2. Thanks for stopping by Living With Fire, Ta'Von! I appreciate your genuine, loving concern about my faith walk and will definitely download your book. I praise God for the testimony He has given you as a Christian whose mind has been transformed! God bless you, my brother.

    Love in Christ,

    Ed Goodman
    Ephesians 3:8

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  3. "The irony of the situation, however, is that when we ask how the two sides pray, it becomes apparent that those who profess to deny God's sovereignty really believe in it just as strongly as those who affirm it." J.I. Packer

    Since I know J.I. Packer's soteriology I know what his definition of Sovereignty is. Having not seen the entire context of this quote, I think I know what he might be trying to say here but what do you think he is trying to convey? So, I guess my question is, how is it that we "all" pray as though God is Sovereign? I believe He is, but not in the same way as Packer.

    Dawn

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  4. I see what you're saying, Dawn, and I think the issue is whether God has the potential to overwhelm human will. I think God has that power, but I believe He chooses not to exercise it very frequently. I am a soteriological synergist who rejects exhaustive determinism, but I don't fault Packer and my other Calvinistic brothers for their view of sovereignty.

    I believe Packer was trying to explain the distinction between the two views of sovereignty and perhaps simplify the opposing side's view. Not to defend or excuse Packer's perspective, but many reformed theologians are extremely logical thinkers, and cannot reconcile God's sovereignty apart from monergism. To them, if He chooses to not intercede or control every decision in the universe, then He is really not sovereign.

    I disagree with that perspective, but have learned that many who believe that way are sincere in their desire to know Christ and His Scriptures. Many of them walk in the light of revelation as they understand it, to the best of their ability.

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  5. I don't fault them for their soteriological view, either. What does bother me is their insistence that synergists are proud, man-centered beings who want to take God's glory away from Him, even if they don't do it consciously. Rather, they're doing it subconciously because they have a problem spiritually. Therefore, they are not fit to be deacons or elders in the church, etc. They are second class Christians who are theologically challenged.

    My pastor is a Calvinist and an excellent teacher. He teaches like an Arminian so I can agree with most everything he says but I know what he "really" means. :-)

    Dawn

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  6. I will agree that the ones who mislabel and look down upon synergists have spiritual problems. However, Dawn, that has not been my experience with all Calvinists. Also, I don't feel comfortable calling any brothers or sisters "second class Christians," so I can't go there because of personal convictions.

    I think we can all agree to disagree on secondary and tertiary issues, and move forward in unity for the common causes of winning souls, making disciples, and glorifying God.

    Thanks for visiting LWF, Dawn, and please continue to stop by as often as you're able. I deeply appreciate your insights.

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  7. I think you misunderstood me because of my poor writing. I meant that Calvinists call Arminians second class Christians.

    My experience with the majority of Calvinists has been what I've described above. There have been some who have started out civil but they end up hurling personal attacks when they realize that I am not going to agree with them. Thankfully, I have had the pleasure of dealing with a few nice Calvinists, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    Dawn

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  8. Dawn,

    Thanks for your clarification. I have dealt with aggressive types on both sides of the issue, although admittedly the majority of attacks came from Calvinists. Nevertheless, I made a decision to never allow the Calvinism/Arminianism issue to become a test of personal fellowship. If others choose to do so, and some have done just that, then that is THEIR decision, not mine.

    I am thankful, Dawn, that you have dealt with a few nice Calvinists. I know many fine Calvinists, and hope you are blessed with the pleasure to meet many more. Thanks once again for your comments, the heart those comments convey, and the insight you bring to Living With Fire. ;-)

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